Danville Register & Bee
Tuesday, August 28, 2007
DANVILLE - The new Healthcare Leadership Council is now fully manned and ready to tackle its mission to provide communication between Danville Regional Medical Center and the community.
Two members each from Danville, Pittsylvania County and Caswell County, N.C., were appointed, as well as two Danville physicians and a representative from LifePoint Hospitals Inc., which owns the hospital.
Don Nodtvedt and Arlene Creasy will serve from Pittsylvania County, while Al Newman and Harold Williams will serve from Danville. Caswell County representatives are Shirley Deal and Mel Battle. Physician representatives are Drs. Bushan Pandya and Samuel Meadama. Jess Judy will represent LifePoint.
The panel was a recommendation of the Citizens Commission Related to the Danville Regional Medical Center, which gave its final report to City Council on July 3. Danville Mayor Wayne Williams appointed the original panel to look into issues relating to the hospital after LifePoint purchased it two years ago.
“The panel will act as an advisory group,” Mayor Wayne Williams said Monday. “It is a way for citizens to express their concerns and have those expressed to LifePoint.
“It is a group of trusted citizens separate from groups related to the hospital; therefore, they can offer an unbiased evaluation of what is happening at the hospital both good and bad.”
He said the group would serve for an extended duration, perhaps as long as a few years.
Williams selected the physicians who will serve on the board, while the heads of the governing groups of the city and two counties selected their representatives in consultation with the governing boards. Judy volunteered to represent LifePoint.
Creasy retired from the Social Security Administration. She said the panel will open communications between LifePoint management, physicians, staff and the community.
“The perception that is presently being communicated about the hospital … is not always facts - now we should be able to get the facts at the table,” she said.
Creasy said her community involvement will be a key benefit for the panel.
“I know, I see, and I hear from a lot of the people in the city and the county,” she said. “I can be a voice for the people and I am accessible for them. I bring the voice from the northern end of the county. We have medical options (Danville or Lynchburg) and we need to be sure this voice is heard.”
Nodtvedt, who retired last year as plant manager of Nestle, said he was excited to be on the panel.
“I want to make a difference, and if I can in any way be a bridge between the community, the doctors, the staff and the administration of the hospital, count me in,” Nodtvedt said.
“For whatever reason, LifePoint has not been able to have the right kind of relationship with the community. This panel can help establish that relationship such that there is a renewed confidence in the hospital by the community and the hospital can deliver to the needs of the community.”
Newman, a retired businessman with experience working in a medical clinic, said he has never had a bad experience as a patient at Danville Regional.
“I believe LifePoint is trying to get back to a care level that existed before the purchase,” Newman said Monday. “My desire is to help them in any way I can. I go on the board very optimistic. I hope the end will be that the community will once again have confidence in our medical community.”
Battle, a retired educator and former chairman of the Caswell County Board of Commissioners, said he has mixed emotions about care at the hospital.
“I received excellent treatment (at Danville Regional) when I had my heart attack,” Battle said Monday, “but some of my ER visits were not so good.”
Battle said the task force’s mission should be to advise and assist the hospital.
Judy, Gateway Division president for LifePoint, said, “My sense is that this panel will provide an objective group of people who have a goal of ensuring the quality and scope of health care for Danville that is appropriate for the community. It will also bring a sense of reason to the current state of the hospital and be able to clarify the perceptions that exist.
“It is clear the people who evaluate hospitals nationwide are finding the hospital compliant with health care standards, and this panel will serve an objective party to validate that for the citizens of the Dan River Region.”
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They may be ready for the job, but, Lifepoint has already proven that they will not listen to anyone. Time and time again nurses and doctors have asked for SAFE nurse-patient ratios only to be shot down. So what is this panel going to do?
They could explain what was going on, so that everyone could move forward productively. Someone needs to explain the situation to the community, so corrections can be put into place progressively.
Can't change lifepoint unsafe ratios if they don't want to change them.
the boys should have thought of that.
Explain it to the community? Obviously, the community understands it just fine.
Interesting poll on the front page of the R&B website:
Are you more likely to seek treatment at Danville Regional Medical Center after the facility retained accreditation?
Yes, Danville Regional has taken the steps to improve the hospital.
16% (64)
No, the hospital has more work to do to regain my confidence.
40% (152)
I now go out of town for serious health care needs.
43% (164)
In spite of another of LifePoint's pr letters in the paper today.
Yeah, did you see the ad with Robyn Keller. Boy, that's the pot calling the kettle black. She's probably not the greatest example. She may look perfect on the outside, but the inside is evil.
Robin is a good girl. But what was idiotic was mailing out those postcards announcing jobs at DRMC to nurses who are already employed by the hospital. We got a real brainiac working in that department. Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon and says that all of the names were pulled from the database of nurses within this region from the state, I know that. However, the idea was to get new nurses within the orginization, not waste funds targeting those who already work there. True?
Sharpe leaving , part of ortho = privileges at S Boston.............
Surgical next???????
On the poll, about 15 hours have passed since the above note, and the numbers are steady:
Yes 17% (79)
No 40% (179)
Gone 42% (185)
So that's about 5 to 1 saying no to Lifepoint.
Add to that the fact that so many people in the community have quit thinking about the issue at all. They have seen all they want to see of Lifepoint, and they have reached their decision. I used to look at this blog daily, but now look once a week or so. I think that's a factor here....people have seen all they need to see. They have wrecked DRMC and could not fix it back if they wanted to.
I agree, though I must quickly say that I do not live in Danville. I have a public relations firm in the West and have been fascinated by this Blog for the past several months. My view is that Danville Regional/Lifepoint cannot possibly recover from all the damage. Current decision-makers on medical care are not apt to return to Danville Regional except in emergencies. My advice would be to write off the loss and begin aiming all resources at attracting new and young families to the hospital which means heavy emphasis on maternity and pediatric care. That's an outside view, for whatever it's worth.
I thought maternity care in Danville is about down to zilch anyway, due to liability insurance costs and demographics (too few young paying customers). Don't know about pediatrics. Somebody please fill in the background.
Good view exceptI would add that Danville cannot attract the new families due to this corporate raiding and thievery that has existed for decades, the fortunate have held down the rest of the city populace by bully tactics and downright theft, ie.buying land from people because it was "worthless"(by their estimate) for pennies and then promoting it as the next best thing and for millions. Ex. the sprawl of Piedmont Drive/Riverside Dr.Selling out businesses that they didn't build for millions off of the sweat of thousands of others and not sharing any of the benefit, the best example to date has been DRMC, Thousands were made to contribute by their wealthy owners to the "community" hospital but they had no say when 5 people who DID NOT OWN IT, SOLD IT.
Danville has been kept down for a few people to own and play in while almost every area around it has grown in some way.Not all growth is good ,but not all is bad .All the growth kept out by DRI was foolish and stupid.Selling one of the top 5 employers in numbers of employees that operated mostly on government money (medicaid-medicare) in an area that cannot support a for profit due to low wage no wage environment WAS IGNORANT. More and more communities are discovering the evils of for profit hospitals as reported in business journals and on the various big news reporting agencies (ABC nightly,etc.)
I hope your west coast communities are smarter , and bless you all for enacting minimum staffing laws so you won't have to live through the LIFEPOINT HELL.
I go to church with Dr. Sharpe and she said that she was selling her house because it was too big for her and her family to upkeep. She says that she is staying in Danville, even though, she is doing surgeries at Morehead, Annie Penn, and Halifax along with her partners.
I think it's a good point.
Where is DRMC on maternity and pediatrics?
How many docs are delivering babies, or are there only midwives?
Are there staff pediatricians?
Dr. Sharpe sent out a letter this past week announcing she was leaving. Sorry church member, you were told wrong. She will be leaving any time between now and December 31.
I've always heard that we have so many welfare births that Lifepoint does not want the business. Is that true?
The general inability of an economically depressed area to pay out of pocket is one of the main reasons that selling DRMC to a for profit was one of the single most ignorant decisions that so called business men could have ever made , especially since it wasn't theirs to begin with.
This area can barely support itself, next to the Katrina areas, this is the most economically depressed area in the U.S.(Per national reports)
Dr Sharpe is leaving Danville. She has accepted a staff position in Roanoke VA at Carillion Health Systems and will be teaching medical students in addition to her new ENT Practice. A huge loss to Danville, a huge win for Roanoke.
Did LifePoint cause this? Only she can answer that question.
10 weeks ago we went to the hospital's OB department and were blessed with our first child. From the very first face in the ER to the last smiling face as we left, our stay was PERFECT. This OB department has their stuff together and no matter what LifePoint may try to do to this hospital, these nurses and technicians and doctors there simply are the best. I've been in medicine for many, many years and had this opportunity to be on the other side and didn't go in there wearing my white coat. I was just another patient and didn't say who I was or where I worked (and won't here). But our visit was perfect, the delivery perfect and the OB and Ped Doctors are excellent. As we left and they realized who we were, then the eyebrows raised with surprise. They might have been, we weren't.
The OB and Ped department gets an A+ from my wife and I.
Hope somebody can stop the loss of drs and hospital staff, whether it is the "panel" or Lifepoint. The worst part is that some of the best drs and nurses are the ones that have left. And even worse is the fact they had good cause to go.
It all goes back to one single theme: Safe patient ratios. Nurses are leaving because there are none and doctors are leaving because they know their patients are getting minimal care. Sad, we were much better off before the sell than now.
Of course that's why Dr. Sharpe is leaving. It's why they are all leaving. Don't hold it against her for trying to be discreet in what she says.
Can you name one reason why any skilled medical person would stay at Lifepoiunt if he/she had a way to get out?
I can name a lot of reasons. Danvi;lle is a world-class small city with great shopping opportunities and restaurants out the Gazoo, not to mention a Starbucks. Also house prices are good.
"I think this blog is proof positive there is an abnormally high teen pregnacy rate in the area. Proof's in the pudding."
LOVE IT! EXCELLENT POINT!
And no one respnds to the A+ comment above....hmmm.
Does DRMC/Lifepoint have Midwives? Is the poster joking?
what makes you think all the welfare births are teens? Where've you been?
"I can name a lot of reasons. Danville is a world-class small city with great shopping opportunities and restaurants out the Gazoo, not to mention a Starbucks. Also house prices are good."
Where to start.
A "World Class" sticker does not make Danville world class.
Shopping is average at best , availabilty of products is questionable and based on other
Sunday sale advertisements Danville prices tend to be substantially higher.
Restaurants- partly the reason for the pathetic state of health in Danville- horrible eating habits high in salt and fat.
All of the above pay miserable wages.
Housing prices per family income are some of the highest in the nation.
Starbucks ---I hope that was a joke if not you seriously need to travel.
Another fact Danville has never even qualified for any Best Place to Live alternate lists to due to these.
Yep, and Despite having a 4 year University (with mostly out of towners) that consistently ranks high on the College Reviews, Very very few (if any) stay after graduation.
Oh and did I forget our once respected hospital is now junk, damaged goods.
Not many who could leave would stay.
I came to Danville 16 years ago from Charlotte because of quality of life. I was born in DC and during college and military years have lived in many larger cities. Danville offers a quality of life not seen in many other areas. Our teenagers may hate it here but I think we'd all agree that teenagers don't see the big picture often times. Lower crime rates, affordable housing, excellent Fire/Rescue/Police services, essentially nothing to even closely resemble rush hour traffic like other cities. In Charlotte it routinely took me 45 minutes to go 8 miles to my primary office and I was on staff at 6 different hospitals.
I came here, and will stay here for the same reason: QUALITY OF LIFE. Be patient all, you have some extremely dedicated providers here who are passionate about this hospital and community. LifePoint has now come to terms that mistakes were made and things are turning around. DRMC is a great hospital staffed by great people, your neighbors and family and friends. Don't turn your backs on them now that things are turning around. OK?
Your negative attitude is what your problem is.
As mentioned in previous posts, the nurse/patient ratio remains at unacceptable levels. Typically it is 1 nurse to 7/8 patients. This work situation is unfair to the nurses and the physicians know patients cannot be adequately cared for under the current staffing conditions. It becomes increasingly more difficult to get anything accomplished as a result.
Nurses are frustrated and continue to leave for a better work environment at other area hospitals. Some physicians are leaving or have left the community to practice elsewhere while the remaining physicians are getting privileges at Annie Penn, Moses Cone, and Halifax. These same doctors are considering going to consultative status only at DRMC. Anyone having a doctor without admitting privileges gets admitted under the hospitalist program which is mediocre at best.
The Internal Medicine and Gastroenterology group of Spainhour, Shiflett, Harris, Kuennen, and Thompson will give up admitting privileges the end of September. Other physician groups are taking a "wait and see" attitude and could do the same by the end of the year. Unfortunately, LifePoint's position continues to be that everything is getter better at DRMC. Now that the hospital has maintained its accreditation, LifePoint may be less interested in working with the health care panel and the medical staff action committee. Will the DRMC/LifePoint situation improve or continue to decline? The actions of the physicians may very well be a deciding factor. Only time will tell.
"affordable housing"
-Read above post.
the poster was right .Per capita Danville has VERY inflated housing prices
"excellentFire/Rescue/Police services"
They are but if you think an all volunteer service is comparable to a paid one you are dreaming . A lot of the folks on the paid one's are also on the volunteer one's and they'll tell you the same - Volunteer response times just don't measure up.
"In Charlotte" agreed Charlotte traffic sucks but that's the result of uncontrolled expansion not lack of expansion.
DRMC was a great hospital(not CMC or Northeast who has the best pt to RN ratio on the East coast)and has some great people left but it's not a great hospital anymore merely another greedy corporation .
It ain't negative and it ain't pretty but it's the truth.
Wouldn't even call the hospitalists mediocre- MAYBE marginal.maybe
Actually not even that. The ER could do(if needed) what they do currently- intubate or Bipap them and consult everyone, but most of the consults are leaving.
Quite a scattering of thoughts and only a few of them rational. When one of our own physicians asks for patience, shouldn't we take that into consideration.
For those of you harping on ratios...that's very old math. The only place where ratios still are news is California...and just ask patients out there how much better the care is...they'll tell you...NOT!
It appears that the health care panel still doesn't have a "legal leg to stand on" which could be vital for the protection of the community. Jess Judy has already proven himself unreliable to attend meetings, and he'll probably show up as usual with cupcakes made of artificial sweetner if he makes it to the meetings at all.
Additionally, consumer advocacy education could be a real asset as long as Lifepoint continues to operate in this and other communities.
Healthwatch, USA is co-sponsoring a conference in Lexington, Kentucky with reputable speakers from all over the nation in November. The conference is being co-sponsored by allies in many of the involved fields of healthcare.
It can be referenced at healthconference.org.
Everyone, including non-medical professionals, are welcome to attend.
"When one of our own physicians asks for patience"
I doubt very seriously it was really a physician as he said " As we left and they realized who we were",
If they've been here any time at all EVERYONE would have recognized them,unless it one of the MD's who has quit coming to the hospital.
"For those of you harping on ratios...that's very old math. The only place where ratios still are news is California...and just ask patients out there how much better the care is...they'll tell you...NOT!"
I can't believe that you actually believe this : I guess next you'll say that a surgeon can do several surgeries at once, after all you think ratios are archaic.
Excellent point. Why can't surgeons do two simple surgewries at once? It would be far more cost efficient than the way it's done now. I'm not talking about brain surgery, but the other kinds.
Jeez-a-mighty...you won't even attempt to do the math. It's simply the number of hours paid per patient day, adjusted by patient and floor type that the very best organizations use as a variable. They take into account skill mix, bu ultimately know it's hours per patient day that is the best apples to apples comparative when describing staffing. Pull your head out of the Danville sand and swallow a dose of healthcare reality. And no, it has nothing to do with a surgeon doing 2 procedures at once, but rather efficiencies that make a nurse's and a doctor's day better. When we're not standing at the water cooler bi@@@ing, the day can go much better.
This blog has staryed so far from what's important. Do you realize how FILTHY this place is? Do you realize that people are afraid to leave a loved one there overnight without a family member?
Come on! Get to the basics that make a difference.
We should do away with this site. It does nothing but cause trouble.
Does "cause trouble" mean it actually causes folks on both sides of the issue to think. I remember when SE challenged me on a post I contributed...I stopped...gave it some thought...and agreed. Hmmmm...is a rational thought process so trouble-causing as to stifle free speech on both sides of the issue?
"you won't even attempt to do the math. It's simply the number of hours paid per patient day, adjusted by patient and floor type that the very best organizations use as a variable"
First of all any statistic can be manipulated any way to get the desired results ,unless you've audited "the very best hospitals " I doubt you'd really know.
And in this case you cannot acount for actual patient time with a number that is derived from a formula based solely on the generation of a charge for the patient, different processes take different amounts of time and unless you time study all of them constantly , as in production you'll never get a true reading .
Nursing et. Al. is not production .
Also when a floor is subject to a production like statistic and all the rules don't apply evenly (ie CNA for each shift , same number of CNA's , different number of RN's per shift or by week/weekend )it won't work. Different patients take different time .The product of equation that you're talking about will only work as a cheapening of services not an efficiency of services .
Think of it as "If you build it they will come"
When DRMC had safe staffing AND made a profit people came , now that the staffing IS UNSAFE and all of the profit (what there is of it)is going to Brentwood to a dozen or so millionaires people DO NOT COME,
So keep preaching "number of hours paid per patient day" the lifepoint version and we will continue to see the hospital (not our hospital) dwindle to nothing.
To the doubter about my comment "when we left they realized who we are", if you never venture to the OB floor in your day to day travels in the hospital then they don't know who you are.
My post was 100% true and accurate. I remain anonymous as I don't want any LP'rs to come knocking on my door just yet asking that I start with any PR campaign. I'm plenty happy with my busy practice and new family. And yes, I'm giving DRMC an open mind for new and better things to come for us. I know that Sam Meadema and Bushan Pandya are going to give 100% to make sure of that as are the other members of this panel.
Time for everyone to sit back and take a breath, ok!
You're almost not worth responding to. Not only just some hospitals, but almost all the best hospitals use the same formula to describe/define staffing. It's not formulaic, just a proven method of planning and executing safe care. Safe care absolutely takes into consideration staff mix and patient acuity...that's what i referenced in my first post. You simply didn't take the time to read. You must also be a big fan of just throwing more money at education instead of holding teachers accountable.
Obviously, a come-lately who will learn soon enough!
Spoken well like a status quo "we've-always-done-it-this-way-so-why-would-we-change?" worker.
Yep...Danville at it's finest.
"just a proven method of planning and executing safe care"
That's not what the poster said they said basically 11-1 isn't safe
and the floors are regularly like this .Also lifepoint staffing grids do not take into account acuity ONLY numbers.
"When we're not standing at the water cooler bi@@@ing, the day can go much better. "
You get breaks, you must not be a nurse for lifepoint. With our ratios now, we never get one.
Haven't had one in 2 years.
Wouldn't even call the hospitalists mediocre- MAYBE marginal.maybe
Actually not even that. The ER could do(if needed) what they do currently- intubate or Bipap them and consult everyone, but most of the consults are leaving.
(( TO ANSWER YOU :LET THE ER DOCS DO WHAT THE HOSPITALIST IS DOING IF YOU UNHAPPY WITH THEIR CARE AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN ?????????????????))
Can't be done... ED docs dont make rounds on floor...
And...
You don't have to shout!!!
As a nurse that lives in Danville and works at Duke let me shed some light on our ratios. To the above poster that states that some of the finest hospitals in America use the same formula as Lifepoint: BULL. As you know, or maybe not, Duke is ranked the 7th best hospital in the entire nation. Our staffing grids are as follows: ICU 1:1 or 1:2 depending on acquity, Step-down 1:3 or 1:4 depending on acquity, and med-surg is 1:5 or 1:6 depending on acquity. You see Duke staffs for ACQUITY not NUMBERS. If you want further proof, Chapel Hill, Wake Forest, and UVA all which ranked within the top 50 hospitals in America have the exact same ratios. So your charge per pt day or man hours per day mumbo-jumbo is used mainly in for-profit hospitals. Finally, a little research within the literature will tell you that patient outcomes across the board are worse in for-profit hospital than not-for-profit hospitals.
How do you know I am shouting overzealous person ??????
And why you don't work as a hospitalist then ,and help your community ,and improve the standared of care from marginal to superior ?
Pardon me Miss Duke nurse, but take a gander at your monthly operations report and you'll not see ratios anywhere. What you see is just a manifestation of hours/pt. day. Your numbers aren't too far off most places I've worked.
By the way, Miss Academic Medical Center, I never said that Duke et al used teh same formula as LifePoint, I said they used teh hours/pt. day formula (not LifePoint's).
"Pardon me Miss Duke nurse, but take a gander at your monthly operations report and you'll not see ratios anywhere. What you see is just a manifestation of hours/pt. day. Your numbers aren't too far off most places I've worked."
To begin with, that is Mister Duke Nurse to you. Let me see if I can break this down for you. I work on a 16 bed CCU. We staff 10 nurses for day shift (8 pt care nurses, 1 charge nurse who relieves, and a education nurse who also relieves for breaks and helps when patients go bad). Night shift staffs 9 nurses per shift (minus the education nurse). So I guess the staffing grid is just a manifestation of my imigination and we really don't have 1:1 or 1:2 nurse to patient ratio.
"It's not formulaic, just a proven method of planning and executing safe care. Safe care absolutely takes into consideration staff mix and patient acuity." "By the way, Miss Academic Medical Center, I never said that Duke et al used teh same formula as LifePoint, I said they used teh hours/pt. day formula (not LifePoint's"
Mister Academic Medical Center nurse will admit when he is wrong. I must have read your post wrong. I thought you were trying to compare Lifepoint's sad staffing grids (which ONLY takes into account numbers and has nothing to do with acquity) and saying that some of the top hospitals in America use these same practices. Sorry.
You still didn't read close enough. Ask the VP of nursing to show you his/her monthly ops report. You won't find references to ratios...just hours paid per admission or discharge. Promise.
Who cares what it is called....if you have adequate staffing and call it XYZ method and have Inadequate staffing and call it the ABC method, I'd say XYZ is better. Writing it in a report as "ratio" or "pt.hours" makes no difference to the patient who is receiving the care.
All caps is shouting ... genious!
And why you don't work as a hospitalist then ,and help your community ,and improve the standared of care from marginal to superior ?
Be tough to do as I'm not an MD, DO etc.
"In Charlotte it routinely took me 45 minutes to go 8 miles to my primary office and I was on staff at 6 different hospitals. "
"And why you don't work as a hospitalist then ,and help your community ,and improve the standared of care from marginal to superior ?
Be tough to do as I'm not an MD, DO etc."
So, let me see if I can get this straight. You are not a MD, DO, or etc (whatever etc is). Yet you were on staff at 6 different hospitals. I don't see how you can be on staff and not be an MD, DO, or etc. Are you just a very industrious person that likes to work 6 different jobs at once? The meaning of "being on staff at a facility" is just that you are independent practitioner such as a MD, DO, or etc. Nurses, physical therapist, and pharmacist are not "on staff" they are employees of a facility.
Possibly an employee of a major system in Charlotte, like Carolinas?
Or Presbyterian ?
Hello again, this is the REAL person who wrote about working in Charlotte and being on staff at 6 hospitals. I've been away from here for a couple of days and it seems that somebody has taken over for me and had some fun with the rest of you.
I practice specialty medicine and as such, will remain in my specialty practice. I will continue to remain on staff at this hospital and will continue to support this hospital and those hardworking and dedicated staff members who are standing by their community, their friends and their neighbors. I'm deeply entrenched in many non-medicine aspects of this community as well as have children who go to our local schools. I'm not going anywhere as Danville is now my permanent home.
Finally, I won't be writing any additional posts in this thread so if it should appear that I have, you will again have been duped.
I guess he /she will be busy taking up patients for all of the MD groups that are leaving the hospital and refusing to uphold the dispicable practices of the tyrannical grim reaper we've come to know as lifepoint.
"support this hospital and those hardworking and dedicated staff members who are standing by their community, their friends and their neighbors."
I support my community, friends and neighbors, what I don't support is the disgraceful DANGEROUS tyrannical bullying hipocritical,greedy,ignorant,pr spinning , outright lying , foolish and deadly practices of lifepoint/HCA.
(( TO ANSWER YOU :LET THE ER DOCS DO WHAT THE HOSPITALIST IS DOING IF YOU UNHAPPY WITH THEIR CARE AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN ?????????????????))
September 4, 2007 4:22:00 PM EST
Anonymous said...
Can't be done... ED docs dont make rounds on floor...
Anonymous said...
And why you don't work as a hospitalist then ,and help your community ,and improve the standared of care from marginal to superior ?
Be tough to do as I'm not an MD, DO etc.
Apparantly this thread got mixed with others causing some confusion...
Calm down
The posters that keep trying to link Lifepoint with HCA are about 8 years off the curve. Give it up for heaven's sake.
They ARE still part of HCA. Lifepoint, although an independent company, is still a subsidiary of HCA. Therefore, they are still owned by HCA. You give it up.
What a dufus. They were a spin company in May 1999. They issued their own stock. They are in no way, shape or form an HCA subsidiary. Check out the SEC filings if you need proof. Not just assume because you think you know or someone you hear in the hallways thinks they know.
You're not even worth arguing with. It's posters like you that make this blog look so amateur. Why don't we stay to discussing facts. Solutions will be created in Danville, not Nashville.
Two years and haven't seen any solutions yet.
They were a spin company in May 1999. They issued their own stock. They are in no way, shape or form an HCA subsidiary"
Oh yes , sorry, they are if only in operating philosophy and history.
Computer system, HCA linked, many many of the problems that happen that occur on the floors have HCA "solutions desks" There are constantly people in that have on HCA shirts/uniforms. And if HCA owns any interest of stock and they do they are connected , and evidently you didn't read the issuing history of Lifepoint and stock. Lifepoint was spun off from HCA to dodge more fraud investigation, HCA and Lifepoint are tied at the hip if by nothing more than history legacy and philosophies.
ugly seed ugly tree.HCA is the ugly seed for the ugly lifepoint tree.
I think you should check more cause you are sooooooooowrong,
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